"CSC"

(The Cryonics Society of California)

by Fred Chamberlain

September 2005

 
 

In an article by Robert Nelson (to be) published in The Immortalist, presenting his side of the story about CSC and the loss of (thawing out of) a number of patients at Chatsworth, California, a very different picture is painted than what Linda Chamberlain and I recall.  Where Nelson's story omits relevant facts or varies significantly from we saw and/or experienced, this webpage constitutes "our side of the story".

 

Below is a draft of Robert Nelson's article, and (inserted are) comments about ways in which Nelson's account differs with what we remember.  One point of view, that Nelson seems to think of as overriding many other considerations, is that, "If nothing had been done, those who were thawed out would be dead anyway!"

 

This, however, does not "sweep clean" other aspects of what happened.

 

 

 
     

Draft Article by Bob Nelson, With Counterpoint.

 

THE EARLY DAYS

 

My Side Of The Story

 

By Bob Nelson

On planet earth and the beginning of human history often a single thought will appear and bring with it an idea that sows the seed of deep changes in the rise of human life on earth.

In 1966 I read The Prospect of Immortality and in that book Robert Ettinger explained in vivid detail how I might today go about stopping or at least greatly delaying my own death by utilizing the science of cryonics suspension.

 

The books explanation was crystal clear it offered a thesis of a fact and an assumption. If I had my body frozen in LN2  -320 % While I was still in the early stages of dying (clinical death) and stayed frozen until (the assumption ) a future generation of science might one day in the distant future be up to the task of returning me to a new and healthy life.

 

The problem with implementing these life saving suggestions in 1966 was that there were no facilities to perform such a cryo perfusion and no doctors or morticians that would or could handle  processing anyone that wanted to be cryonicly suspended.

 

There were also no reliable LN2 capsules or storage and maintenance services available at that time and finally there was no place to store such a frozen patient.

 

These facilities would need to be created to care for such patients providing decades or even centuries of intensive care and safe keeping before anyone could rely on this method of dealing with the dying process.

 

Driving home from work one day in 1966 I had just listened to an old Tony Bennett song “If I ruled the world” when the stations DJ announced with a tongue in cheek attitude “ If any of you listeners out there don’t like the idea of dying  just call this number______ and get yourself invited to a  Life Extension Society meeting in Los Angeles next week.

The L.E.S. proposes freezing your body when you die instead of burying it. They claim one day they may be able to bring you back.

 

Who knows maybe some day they actually will be able to bring you back to life, a life in which you can see the changes that have occurred over the past few hundred years!

 

That DJ never knew how much he had changed my life and  world history with that simple announcement that he was so playfully making.

 

I called that number and attended that first ever human suspended animation meeting. Within a month I was elected president of the newly formed CSC.

 

We had a tight group of advocates incorporated as the non profit Cryonics Society of California. We were determined to bring the needed professionals and facilities together that could offer cryonics suspension to those choosing this new and promising means of dealing with the dying process.

The "non profit" society was represented by Nelson to be a protective mechanism for members, responsible for their care.  We found this to be illusory and misleading, when we finally obtained the details .

Among our two hundred members the CSC meetings resulted in enlisting doctors, low temperature researchers, mortuary owners and professionals from all walks of life. It was not easy to convince most people that the grand prize of greatly extended life was worth the effort, but to those of us who loved life there was nothing that was going to stand in the way.

 

The above paragraph does not reflect what Linda and I observed in 1970.

 

 

Poet Keliel Gebraun said it beautifully when he writes, “ to be like a running brook singing its melody unto the night, to wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving”

 

Yes the love of life is strong and is an inalienable right, an instinct that some thriving human beings embrace with all their heart and soul. Yet strangely, there are those who have no interest in extended life. My own brother whom I love with all my heart has an attitude of, are you kidding, no way do I want to come back to this world once I am out of here. No way! 

 

On January 12, 1967 CSC made world history by freezing Dr. James Bedford. Dr. Bedford was the worlds first human being to be frozen under controlled conditions with the goal of eventual reanimation.

 

The suspension team consisted of Dr. Renault Able the attending physician, Dr Dante Brunnol who directed the perfusion, Robert Prehoda an author of three books supporting reduced metabolism research and myself.

 

Prehoda was in a way two faced about his personal support for the cryonics program. To the scientific world, he claimed he was opposed to human cryonics suspension. However privately he was very much in support of the CSC goals to freeze those of us facing death today.

 

This is very clearly documented by his actual participation in the perfusion and freezing of Dr. Bedford. Dr Bedford actually spent overnight in dry ice in Prehoda's garage.

We spent hours in the early 1970's interviewing Robert Prehoda as to what took place.  Prehoda presented a significantly different picture of the Bedford freezing.

 

 

The freezing of the first man created a lot of interest in cryonics suspension, but the problem cryonics faced obtaining hard cash became a difficult puzzle. People did strange thinks to hold on to their money.

 

 Dr. Bedford who left three hundred thousand dollars for his  suspension and care never even paid CSC for his own freezing expenses he  was whisked away by his son and Dr. Renault Able, then secretly transferred many times to different locations over the next several years.

 

Many years later when the three hundred thousand dollars was gone, Dr Bedford body was given to the Alcor foundation who to this day provides a free capsule and continued suspension in LN2 for the first men ever frozen. We salute you Alcor the world is indeed indebted to you.

 

Dick Jones who was the first secretary to the CSC and saw first hand how desperate the society was for funds to purchase property on cemetery grounds and build a storage vault to store our frozen heroes. Three patients were then on dry ice for two years waiting for a capsule and  reanimation. Dick never offered to help not even a penny.

 

 Dick Jones as it turns out was a multi millionaire and when he himself died of aids at thirty years of age he left over five million dollars to the Alcor foundation in Arizona for his own suspension and safe keeping.

 

After the freezing of Dr Bedford in 1967 a series of deaths of prominent CSC officials occurred. First was the very wall known Marie Sweet who had given enormously of  herself and time  to promoting CSC efforts to prosper and develop a state of the art cryonics facility.

 

Marie died on August 27,1967 alone in a Santa Monica hotel while in town promoting the CSC first national cryonics conference. She was not discovered for 48 hours after her death.

 

We placed her in dry ice temporary storage. As it turned out Marie had made all the necessary legal arrangements for her own suspension, but she had provided absolutely no funds for to pay for that suspension.

 

Her husband gave CSC a total of three hundred and declared that was all the money they had between them. They lived only on social security.   

 

Several months later, on May 14, 1968 my personal hero Ms. Helen Kline  passed away. Helen was dying when she set up the very first cryonics meeting at her home in spite of the cancer that was ravaging her body.

 

Helen found the strength to hang in there and fight for her life. It was Helen who brought us all together and take the first step to  bring together the teachings of the Prospect of Immortality.

 

Helen died with out having a penny to her name. She did however get an excellent suspension there were no delays as we had a suspension team right there at the moment of her clinical death. At my decision and direction we placed her temporarily in the dry ice container with Marie Sweet.

 

On Sept 6, 1968 the historian of cryonics Russ Stanley died from a heart attack while at work. Russ was the most gung ho cryonicist I had ever met. He was a wealthy man, but left only ten thousand for his freezing storage and perpetual LN2 replacement. It took 24 hours to get cryonic treatment to Russ.

 

We now had three patients in temporary storage and not enough money to save any one of them on a permanent basis. At least the funds left by Russ Stanley provided money to replace the dry ice  on a weekly basis. The cost of keeping these patients in dry ice for over two years at $90,00. Per week translates into $9,500.00 for a two year period.

 

 I decided not to give up on saving these frozen heroes, I hoped something or someone would come forward and help. I believed all our live depended on that truth.

 

After about two years of weekly replacing dry ice on our three patients, we received a desperate call from a Michigan resident Marie Bowers who had had her beloved father frozen and stored at the Cryo care equipment co in Phoenix Arizona. She was broke and unable to pay for her fathers continued maintenance.

 

 Cryo care owner Ed Hope told me when I called him to inquire about the capsule that she had two weeks to pay up the $1,500.00 she owed him or he would kick the fucking thing into the street.  Mr. Hope asked me if that was clear enough?

 

Ms. Bowers donated the capsule and her father to CSC with a written notice of her inability to continue her fathers suspension.  The CSC paid Ed Hope the $1,500.00 Ms. Bowers owed The Cryo Care co for the capsules previous care. We then took the capsule to California.

 

In the intervening two years CSC had acquired three more patients A beautiful seven year old little girl from Canada. Her father had no money he pleaded with me to help save her. I could not say no.

 

Another young man from New York Stephan Mandell frozen by CSNY.  The boys mother pleaded with me to bring him to California as New York was not able to provide her a secure storage  location for her capsule.

 

 We did bring Stephens capsule to California. We never did hear from Ms. Mandell once the capsule arrived in California.

 

The only other people to provide any donation money ( ten thousand dollars ) were the two sons of Mildred Harris.

 

Ms. Harris was placed in temporary dry ice storage with the understanding the brothers would donate between one and three hundred dollars a month to maintain their mothers suspension 

 

After two years in dry ice storage the family requested and received a private memorial service and viewing of their mother. About ten family members traveled from Iowa for this service. The ceremony was very beautiful and Ms. Harris did indeed appear to be sleeping beauty waiting for that special kiss.

 

The brothers like all of the frozen heroes survivors failed to keep their promise to make monthly donation. After a year or two all the patients were essentially abandoned and left for CSC to pay the bills.

 

Over the ten years the society survived it did accomplish several outstanding goals. We sponsored the first California national cryonics conference. We froze the worlds first human being. We built the first cryo vault on cemetery grounds. We froze and stored almost free, nine patients for three years.

 

 

As in all great ventures such as placing a man on the moon mistakes were made and lives were lost. However in that effort great advances were made. At one cryonics meeting I had the distinct pleasure of introducing Fred and Linda Chamberlain to each other.

We met each other at weekly "working" meetings where preparations for a Conference were underway; usually 5-10 people showed up.  There was no formal "introduction".  It would be more accurate to say that we "bumped into each other" from time to time, at these working meetings.

They quickly fell in love and became a powerful team. Fred became a vice president of CSC and Linda took charge of all office activities as office manager.

After the conference, which took place several months after we met,  Linda moved to Idaho and began to build a home there, with her S/O.  In the course of letter writing to "keep her up to date on CSC", we got to know each other better, over an extended period of time.  Nelson had no visibility into this, and no "friendship" ever developed between he and the two of us, so perhaps this explains how he perceived us. 

(We did go out to dinner after the conference, and that was, with one brief exception, the last time we saw each other for over 100 days & nights, yet it had a powerful influence on us, as evidenced on the page with our wedding vows.  If you are a friend of ours and haven't visited that page, use the email icon below to ask, and we'll send you the link.)

The "appointment as a Vice President" was for surface appearances only.  When I asked, I was told this was an "Honorary Vice President" role only, and that this neither involved any of the responsibilities of an "actual" Vice President, nor did it entitle me to knowledge of CSC's corporate arrangements.  In this role, I was given no details of the many deficiencies of CSC.  These were only uncovered by Linda and I later during our work for CSC as volunteers, when Nelson's attempts to keep them secret failed.

 

Linda never was hired or appointed to any official position with CSC, and worked strictly from home as a volunteer.  There were almost no "office activities" to begin with.  The mention of her as an "Office Manager", perhaps, is intended to give the illusion that CSC had "others working in an office", with substantial office activities.  It did not!  Whatever "office activities" CSC did have required only a few hours/week.  Very little was going on, there.

 It soon became very obvious that they had a goal of establishing their own cryonics facility. They had access to every bit of information and activity the CSC was involved in.

We slowly gained sufficient access to information about CSC, as volunteers, to see that Robert Nelson had grossly misrepresented CSC to its members, in a way that could easily be interpreted as fraud.  As we discovered more and more of this, we had to decide either to give up on CSC, or try to help remedy its defects.

 

If it had not been for the fragile condition of my father, a stroke victim in a local nursing home, Linda and I would almost surely have walked away from CSC as soon as we became aware of the extent to which it had been misrepresented by Nelson.  However, by then, based on Nelson's detailed and apparently sincere and honest claims that he had a viable organization, I'd promised my father that I would get him suspended if he died, and had started the signup process for him.  Linda and I could not just walk away from this commitment.  It was unthinkable.

 

For the moment, we were "stuck".  We set about trying to deal with what we perceived to be a still highly unknown, difficult and risky situation.  As other comments here will reveal, in the end this did no good.  After a year and a half of effort on CSC's behalf, we were forced to sever our relationship with it.  We formed Alcor only after Robert Nelson cut off our access to CSC's suspension program, as discussed in more detail at the link below:

 

And that was fine with me as I recently told Bob Ettinger and CI president Ben Best my goal was not to become rich famous and live forever. Just living forever was ample reward for me.

 

 The Chamberlains went on to make the dream of a state of the art cryonics facility a reality. I solute them for their contribution to the world, which is without a doubt comparable to the birth of the wheel or the discovery of fire.

If it had not been for the desperate situation Robert Nelson put us in, as described in more detail at the above link, we might have never established Alcor.  Instead, we would far more likely have left CSC and have worked closely with the Bay Area Cryonics Society, and to have helped form Trans Time, Inc.

The one CSC activity I did not share with the Chamberlains or any one else was that the capsule containing the first four frozen heroes had failed and there were no funds to purchase another capsule or to even provide LN2 the society had completely run out of money

Robert Nelson did share the fallout of the abandonment of his patients at Chatsworth with us, by testifying under oath, in the course of a deposition, that we had attended a meeting called over two and a half years after we had totally severed relationships with he and with CSC, and had (during this period) avoided contact with CSC entirely.

 

This was a meeting, in fact, as we understand it now, it was the meeting, at which the thawing of patients was divulged by Nelson, and the possible dissolution of CSC was discussed. Nelson indicated that not only did Linda and I attend this meeting, but that we took the minutes and took them away with us, which, Nelson explained, was "probably why there are no minutes of the meeting available".

This might have seemed like a "little white lie" to Nelson at the time, to help get around questions about the degree to which CSC had actually discussed its dissolution formally, and addressed the question of the patients' fates.  Perhaps Nelson thought that this could provide him with some "corporate shield" protection.  We can only speculate about the motives.

 

The facts were that when we did received copies of the deposition as part of the pretrial proceedings, in which we had been named as codefendants, we could see how Nelson had implicated us as "still being active in CSC", when we had been totally out of touch with it (for over two and a half years prior to the meeting), and we were utterly dismayed and confounded by what appeared to be Nelson's attempt to not only hide behind CSC, but to hide behind us as well.

 

Almost entirely because of this one factor, we (Fred and Linda Chamberlain) were named, along with Nelson, his contract mortician, and several active CSC Directors, as defendants in the pretrial proceedings of the relatives' lawsuit over the Chatsworth "desecration of the patients".  Our attorney explained it this way:

"Since they (the Plaintiffs' attorneys) knew you were at that meeting (or had excellent reason to believe so), by way of Nelson's testimony, there was no way in good conscience that they could avoid naming you as defendants.  It would have been incompetent of them to have left you out!"

 

Extricating ourselves from this mess cost us over $15,000 in legal expenses, at a time when we were barely able to break even in a new business we had begun after moving to Northern California, and it nearly resulted in our bankruptcy, but there were even more serious impacts and risks.  By his actions, Nelson had set the stage for dragging both Alcor and Trans Time into the trial as well.

 

The way it went was this:  If we were still active in CSC at a time when we were also on the Board of Directors of Alcor and (Linda was) on the Board of Trans Time, this gave legal cause for the plaintiffs to treat both Alcor and Trans Time as "Alter Egos" of CSC and name them as codefendants also, in the Chatsworth suit.  It "linked the corporations".  Perhaps CSC was broke, but both Alcor and Trans Time were caring for patients, and had funds to do so.  They would have been excellent "deep pocket" targets for the Plaintiffs.

The damages sought by the relatives in combination were eighty million dollars.  If the two legitimately organized firms (Alcor and Trans Time) had been named in the lawsuit, as co-defendants, they would likely have been assessed the major share of damages, and the damages awarded would likely have been far higher also.

 

(Our understanding is that Nelson's contract mortician, who had very limited involvement dealing with the relatives, was assessed damages in the range of $400,000.00, covered by his professional insurance.  He was, as things turned out, the "deep pockets" for the plaintiffs.  Let's be thankful that Alcor and Trans Time were not destroyed by Nelson.  They could have been.)

 

(Now, continuing with Nelson's "story")

CSC was broke.

 

I could find no one who would part with any of their money to save these frozen heroes who apparently did not care enough financially about saving their own carcass.

 

I have been severely rebuked for this action and I believe justly so. Not for my conduct of trying with all my heart to save these poor fools who had left virtually no funds with which to continue their suspension.

 

But for walking away for twenty five years and refusing to discuss or answer even the tiniest detail of what happened at the failed cryonics vault.

 

I can only explain the anger I felt after being found at fault to the tune of thirty seven thousand dollars ( the total judgment was almost half a million dollars) for the intentional infliction of pain and suffering to Clair Halpert a CSNY member whom I had never even met and had absolutely nothing to do with. We  had no knowledge of her mothers suspension by the CSNY.

 

I felt like a volcano had erupted inside my soul and like the volcano on the big island of Hawaii kept on erupting for all of those years.

 

My reason for not informing the Chamberlains or any one else regarding the issue of the failed capsules was for their own well being this is true of all the CSC members and directors who knew nothing about the capsules failure.

As noted above, Robert Nelson exposed Linda Chamberlain and myself, and Alcor and Trans Time as well, to being named as defendants in the Chatsworth suit, by his falsehoods under oath.  This is not what could be called "looking out for the well being" of those concerned.

The decision to try and  save those who had made no provisions for their own suspension cost, was my own foolish decision I acted on their behalf out of my own compassion. If I had not done so they would been disposed of with in a few days of their death.

 

The plaintiffs attorney Mr. Wormington would then have included any one he could into his law suite and viscous search for pockets to money grab, as he tried so desperately to do.

 

In closing I would remind everyone that CSC played an important roll in the rise of the Chamberlains and of Alcor itself. Every wonderful achievement they made had its beginning from the existence of the Cryonics society of California.

Take this statement in the context of the other statements of counterpoint, above.  Linda and I had both read Bob Ettinger's book and were highly enthusiastic about it, prior to contact with CSC.  If CSC had never existed, we might well have "found each other" through the Bay Area Cryonics Society, or one of the chapters in would doubtlessly have established in the Los Angeles area.  This claim has no merit.

Yes the CSC vault did indeed in the long run fail, but the CSC members them self’s were a resounding success. They produced the Chamberlains , Dick Jones, Greg Fahey, and countless other leaders in today’s suspended animation programs. While there are some who would choose to ignore this truth there are many others who do acknowledge this truth.   

 

The CSC took an enormous Civil hit from unscrupulous money grabbing attorneys, showing how vulnerable the cryonics concept can be to jury’s and people who view this science as a new religion threatening the old ways of thinking and believing .  I acknowledge that CSC made mistakes, but I ask you please don’t diminish CSC contribution to the cryonics program because of those mistakes.   

 

On April 4th 2004 some 25 years later I retired from my electronics business and turned that switch in my head back on and allowed my self to once again embrace cryonics as the life saving hope it truly is. I asked Bob Ettinger if he would object to my writing another book about the early CSC years (first book “We Froze The First Man”) Mr. Ettinger said he thought it would be a good idea to record that part of history.

 

I have just finished writing that book and hope it will be published soon. The working title is “Frozen heroes and the cryonics time machine.”

 

Sense finishing my book I have Joined CI as an option one member and I have made all legal and financial arrangements to be frozen when my time comes to face the grim reaper. In the meantime I am filled with confidence, that one day I will be revived to become part of a brave new world.

 

After seeing the wonderful facility The people of Michigan have so carefully built on a slow, but steady course. It is truly an honor to join your group and be counted as one of those embracing the metamorphosis of cave into super man.

 

In April 2005 I was rushed to my local hospital emergency room with what was believed to be an oncoming heart attack. I was ultimately discovered to have a life threatening lack of potassium which was easily managed.

 

During my three day stay in the hospital I was faced with the horrible fact that even though I had made arrangements to be frozen there was no one there to prepare my body for cryonics suspension.

 

If I died, sooner or later the Renaker Mortuary would come around to pick up my by now very dead body, pack me in ice and ship me to Michigan for permanent LN2 storage.

 

 The problem with this scenario is that after ten minutes of no oxygen to my brain, what is now considered irreparable brain damage begins and gets worse with every minute that goes by.

 

While we have a right to expect future medicine to be able to perform miracles we must deliver ourselves to that future generation in the very best condition possible.

More about delivering ourselves to that future generation in the "very best condition possible"!

 

As I am now retired this is a perfect time to bridge and fill that gap between death and arriving at CI in Michigan. I happen to have a close personal relationship with a young couple who work at the Palomar hospital here in California. They are both trauma team experts and regularly work in the organ donor ward of their hospitals.

 

It is a matter of routine for them to place organ donors in a special organ harvest ward and keep those deceased ones connected to a heart lung machines until the exact right moment that they are released to the donor recipient  organization.

 

 

In our case that would be the cryonics Institute or its representative, Renaker mortuary.

 

We have formed a company here in California to provide stand by service and information for those patients now living in the west coast. The name of this new venture is “The continued life Group” further information can by found by calling us at (760) 358-6700 or emailing us at ________________.

 

And remember as Ettinger explains it’s more interesting to be alive then to be dead.

 

This is the end of the draft of Robert Nelson's paper, THE EARLY DAYS. What follows are detailed comments linked from above, where interposing them in the text of Nelson's paper would have broken up its continuity to such an extent that it seemed better to treat them as "footnotes"

Members?

 

The mention of "two hundred members" might suggest people who were at least engaged in actually making arrangements, or even had made them.  Also, an implication is created that these people were involved, active, dedicated members, by the phrase: "to those of us who loved life there was nothing that was going to stand in the way."

 

Nothing of that kind existed, even in 1970, when Linda Chamberlain and I became involved as volunteers with CSC.  There was no evidence, then, that the organization had "once been larger".  These people, based on our day to day experience with CSC in 1970-71, could not have even been paid subscribers to a newsletter.

 

Our best picture of all of this, based on our work as volunteers for CSC in 1970-71, is that this group was nothing more than a "mailing list of inquirers".  In similar ways, as related to Robert Nelson's description of CSC's technology and rescue capability (see below), there were glaring differences between his descriptions and reality.  Many would rightly call it "fraud", we believe.

 

As to "enlisting doctors, low temperature researchers, mortuary owners and professionals from all walks of life", so far as we could see there were only (1) those few who were involved with planning Bedford's freezing, who then promptly vanished, (2) a few science oriented personages Robert Nelson touched bases with now and then, but with whom he exchanged no meaningful content that was used for CSC's preparedness program, and (3) Nelson's contract mortician.

 

Perhaps Robert Nelson at one time had contacted some additional scientists who let themselves be named as "Advisors" on brochures, but our impressions were that these people were being used strictly for PR purposes, and had no input to CSC's procedures.

Which brings up the point that even the idea that CSC had procedures would have been a gross exaggeration.  At the time we became actively involved with CSC's technical operations, they had none at all; no procedures, no special equipment, no cryoprotective chemicals or base perfusates on hand, no way of authenticating who was signed up, and (perhaps most telling at all), no insurance program for the members operating in the manner that it had been described to them.

Members as they signed up were told that their dues were being used to buy insurance; they were encouraged to buy Medic-Alert bracelets; they were told by Nelson, "that their $10/month dues covered the cost of the their insurance, as well as the overhead of the Society."  As Nelson explained it, "You see, the younger members can be covered for only $5/month, so the extra covers the rent and telephone.  The older members represent a higher risk, so it takes the whole $10/month to cover them with insurance."

 

So, what about this insurance program?  What did the bottom line turn out to be?  It was... that the "insurance program" did not actually exist.  When he finally admitted this to us, after months of questioning, Nelson's excuse was that his life insurance agent in San Jose had dropped the ball, and hadn't gotten the policies together.  When we asked the agent, what did he say?  He said that Nelson had never gotten him information on which to base applications for the policies!

 

Bottom line!  What Nelson had been telling the members was a "smoke screen", creating an illusion that paying dues bought protection, and being frozen with some level of reliability if they were to die.  We knew we were going to have to deal with this, and were getting in motion to do so, but there was no opportunity to ever put that iron in the fire.  About that time, it became necessary for us to leave, because our access to Nelson's contract mortician was cut off.  That's another story... at another location.

 

The insurance program non-existence was the last of many disappointments.  Before we ever got around to trying to deal with that, we had other, seemingly more urgent matters to handle:  These centered around all of the glowing claims that Robert Nelson made, at CSC meetings and elsewhere, about how prepared CSC was to serve its members in emergencies, with a "perfusion expert", who possessed appropriate "perfusion equipment", and "perfusion chemicals", who was "prepared to respond immediately".  The reality was that CSC had... as far as a capability to respond to its members in emergencies in the way that Nelson described...

 

VIRTUALLY  nothing!

 

AND, WE FOUND THIS TO BE VERY DISCONCERTING:

 

 

 

Non-Profit?
Certainly CSC did not "make money for any owners" and in that sense was "non-profit", but there, the resemblance ceased, as to what might be expected of a "society" for the benefit of members.

Robert Nelson implied, in everything he said about CSC, that it had been set up to "take care of the patients and members" and was doing so.  He stated that it had been conceived and set up by an expert attorney who was familiar with all of the relevant portions of the law.  The impression given was that the frozen members were being cared for by a non-profit society, which was doing so in a responsible way.  It was a nice picture, but it was a facade.  Some would call it fraud.

It finally became clear to Linda Chamberlain and I that no actual meetings of CSC as a corporate entity were ever being held, by Directors who were active and involved, at which issues concerning Membership were discussed.  The bare corporate formalities might have been observed, but in other ways the "society" was embryonic and non-functional in 1970, as we learned more about it, in a roundabout way:

One evening, Linda Chamberlain and I were discussing CSC with its Treasurer, and we asked to see the books.  We expected to see expenses for liquid nitrogen for the patients, funds for their maintenance, payments of insurance premiums, receipts from insurance policies when people were suspended. and so forth.

But there was none of that... at all. 

"What about liquid nitrogen?" we asked.  "Oh, Bob handles that out of some other organization!" was the response.  "And what about the insurance, that's supposed to cover the members?"  The answer was, "That's not set up yet!"

The final straw was when we asked about corporate minutes and were told, "Oh, when a meeting is necessary, the attorney just sends over some minutes and we sign them!"

This was grossly at odds with the way Robert Nelson talked about CSC, with all of the people who were counting on it.  Little by little, all of what you see recounted on this web page continued to come out, not by Nelson sitting and down and reviewing the details with us, but by their having to be "discovered" in spite of his secrecy, in the manner described above.

In any other situation, the only reasonable thing to do would have been to "walk away", but for far too long, we were "hooked" by the promise made to my Dad by Linda and I, that we would "be there for him" when the time came.  Still, it hung in the back of our mind that we were hoping for too much.  Someday, we thought, a time would come when there would be no alternative except to leave.  That day finally came, as discussed in more detail at another link:

Bedford's Freezing
  Robert Prehoda stated that Robert Nelson's participation was very minimal, and that the only cryoprotection administered was an injection of DMSO directly into the heart, with circulation through the body via foot-pressure "CPR".

According to Prehoda, Dr. Renault Able "didn't show up", and because of that Nelson argued against doing anything at all, and refused to help with the cryoprotection.

Prehoda said, "If I hadn't done what I did, there would have been nothing at all done for Bedford" (other than packing him in dry ice).

Nelson had told the story to us very differently, earlier, saying that, "He'd threatened Prehoda that he would tell Bedford's relatives that Prehoda had injected DMSO into the heart!" and indicating that this had intimidated Prehoda.

When he heard this, Prehoda laughed.  His comments about Nelson's behavior during Bedford's suspension left no doubt that he was perfectly comfortable with what had been done for Bedford, and that he had very little respect for Nelson whatever, certainly no concern about the alleged "threat to speak with Bedford's relatives".

[Later, when Alcor did a definitive exam of Bedford (under liquid nitrogen) to see if he'd ever been thawed, the observations were very reassuring, and encouraging, especially with regard to the condition of highly circulated tissues surrounding Bedford's head.  It appears that the choice to actually do something, by Prehoda, was a very, very good choice.]

[Who do you want to believe?  Nelson or Prehoda?  Our connection with Prehoda at the time was not just a meeting to "find out how Bedford was frozen".  We were working with him in the connection with formation of the Southern California Aging Association (SCAA, a branch of the American Aging Association being organized at that time by Denham Harman);  Prehoda was its President; we were on the Board.  After a brief Board meeting at USC, we spent the remainder of the evening talking about the Bedford freezing over dinner, so this was no "chance encounter interview".  Prehoda's perspectives call into question every aspect of what Nelson has to say about the Bedford freezing.  We have no way of even guessing how much of what Nelson has to say about the Bedford Freezing is authentic and accurate, and how much of it may be purely invented; solely "science-fiction".]

 

 
The "Break" with CSC   

For a year and a half, as mentioned earlier, we worked constantly to build a capability to support CSC.  We wrote a detailed manual to make a reality of Nelson's claim that CSC's suspensions were based on science and medicine, not "just body freezings".  (An on-line scanned copy of this manual may be examined at the link next to the title of this section, just above.)

 

 We developed special-purpose perfusion apparatus, for use by CSC, at no expense to it, and left it in at the mortuary with which Nelson contracted, and, we had both provided CSC with pre-mixed perfusate for "midnight" emergencies, and stocked dry, preweighed components of base perfusate for replacing that as needed.

 

Cryoprotective compounds were purchased and stocked by ourselves, all on the expectations that CSC might need them.  This was the only way to make sure they would be there in the event of an unanticipated suspension.  CSC paid nothing for this whatever.

 

Then, in January of 1972, Nelson called us to a meeting supposedly to discuss the freezing of a small girl who had been a candidate for suspension earlier.  We attended this meeting with a full copy of the manual, which had been completed less than a month earlier, and, we brought along all of the additional equipment and materials that we had on hand.  We were prepared to do whatever was necessary to help CSC achieve the best possible suspension, if necessary.

 

This did not seem to be at all what Nelson had in mind.  He had invited a biology graduate student to fly down from San Francisco to "consult".  For over an hour, conversations took place that had nothing to do at all with the practical aspects of how to suspend anyone in the near term, and there were no indications that Nelson was going to have the student remain in Los Angeles to help.  We began to get the feeling that the only reason Nelson had instigated the meeting was that so later, if asked, he could claim that he had "consulted with science experts".

 

Then came a completely unanticipated turn of events.  After the meeting, and alone with us, in a manner perhaps calculated to assure that we would not participate in the upcoming freezing, and that it could be easily delegated to his mortician as a "straight freeze", Nelson broke off his relationship with us, and broke off the relationship between ourselves and CSC, by cutting off our access to his mortician's facility as well as that mortician's cooperation in our own suspensions if needed, or that of my father.  Here's how he did it:

Nelson simply told us that his mortician regarded us as "fanatics" and that we would not be permitted to have anything to do, further, with CSC suspension operations.  That meant, in effect, that Linda and I would not be able to participate in the suspension of my father, or even of each other, if one of the three of us were to die.  Nelson didn't have, so far as we knew, any preparations to do other than a "straight freezing", and he said nothing to indicate what kind of suspension we could expect if we remained members of CSC.  To us, at that time, it seemed to be a "contingent death sentence".  We took it very poorly.

Later, when we asked the mortician about this, he said, "Fred & Linda, I would have never said anything like that!" (about our "being fanatics" and "being unwilling to work with us").  There was no doubt on our part that Nelson had deliberately lied, and no hope that he could be trusted!  We asked ourselves, "How could we ever expect to even be kept frozen, much less reanimated, by an organization dominated by an individual who does something like this?"

 

We had to leave, and start over, from scratch.  We incorporated Alcor within two weeks after that meeting, and quickly secured non-profit, tax exempt status for it using proper corporate formalities.  In that respect, this alone put it way ahead of CSC, in our minds, but we now had to begin to build membership.  We promoted and conducted seminars on cryonics, mainly by mailings to membership lists of Libertarian organizations.  It was a long struggle, but at no time did we ever contact CSC members to recruit them, nor did we ever consider "going back".

Although we never contacted any CSC members, one of them did get in touch with us.  He attended an Alcor meeting during the first year or two of Alcor's startup period, when we had a total of only five members (including my father, who was a helpless stroke victim).  He asked us about Nelson, and we told him what we knew, but resisted the temptation to speculate.  Alcor was in the earliest stages of development, and we made it clear (to the CSC Member) that Alcor was absolutely not a viable alternative for someone who just wanted to "sign up", at that time.

 

We did not hear from that CSC Member again, after that, until CSC collapsed years later (then, he joined Alcor, and even served as its Vice President for a short time).  From him, at that time, we learned that for years after our departure, Robert Nelson had warned CSC members, "Don't go anywhere near Alcor or the Chamberlains; they'll steal our members!"

 

In light of this, it seems clear that Nelson's later statement under oath, that we "attended a dissolution meeting of CSC, took the minutes, and took them away with us," was a deliberate falsehood.  (To consider this as a possible "memory lapse" on Nelson's part, as some have suggested, seems to be at such great odds with his history of warning others against us, over a period of years, as to be ridiculous.)

 

 

One thing we cannot forget is that for years, at Alcor Meetings, the former CSC Member mentioned above (who joined Alcor after the collapse of CSC) would reproach us with comments like, "You should have warned us more about Nelson!"  Over and over again, this was repeated.  Perhaps it's partly the memory of his insistent voice, rebuking us for not having done more to make CSC Members aware of Robert Nelson's shortcomings, that makes the composure of this web page seem so appropriate and necessary.

Misrepresentations as to CSC's Capabilities
 

 A day came when we finally had an opportunity to speak with the individual who was responsible for the procedures, a contract mortician, and to see his facility at the same time.  Nelson had told us, along with all other CSC members that we heard him speak with about these things, that this individual had "special equipment", "special chemicals", that he was a "perfusion expert", and that "he was on call 24/7 via pager and could respond immediately".  It was thus with no small level of expectations that we finally met this individual and heard what he had to say.

 

After the initial pleasantries were over, we asked to see the "suitcases of special equipment" that he supposedly was able to take with him, anywhere in the world, if need be, and "do his magic of cryonic suspension".  (The way Nelson described it made us feel as if he could turn an ordinary mortuary into a "medical facility" with a "wave of the hand".)  He got the suitcases out and placed them on a work table in the mortuary, and opened the first one.  In it, there were some mortician's "greens" (surgical clothing).  That's all!

 

"It must the in the second suitcase," we thought, but when that was opened, only a few scalpels and mortuary cannulae were evident.  "Hmmmm!" we thought.  "Maybe it's the special equipment that he has, here, and we misunderstood!"

 

"Could you show us that?" we asked.  "Sure," was the reply, and we were taken into a standard mortuary preparation room, at the head of which was a standard mortuary embalming machine. It had a reservoir on top, where you put in the embalming fluid, and a "speed control" for the motor, which apparently regulated how fast the pump ran.

 

"That's it?" we asked.  "That's all you've got?"  The mortician nodded his head.  "But how do you control pressure?" we asked.  "How about temperature control and measurement?"  And, "How do you measure flow rate, to assess vascular resistance?"

 

The mortician shrugged.  "It's good enough for embalming!" he said.

 

This was beginning to sound less like a "perfusion expert with special equipment" all the time.

 

"What about the special chemicals?" we asked.  "Where are they?"  The mortician led the way into a storage room, and poked about it for a few minutes.  "I guess Bob never got around to getting any!" he said.  (Things were getting worse.  We needed at least some "light at the end of the tunnel".)

 

"OK, well, you're the guy who carries the pager, and can be reached 24 hours a day, right, if one of us is taken to a hospital and is dying?" we asked.  He nodded.  "Most morticians have a pager like this!" he observed.  "And so, if someone wearing a bracelet dies, and you get a call, how do you know he (or she) is really signed up?" we asked.  "How would you know whether or not to freeze them?"

 

"I wouldn't have any idea about that !" he admitted.  "I guess I'd have to call Bob (Nelson)."

 

"But there are times when none of us can reach him, for days!" we objected.  "You know that!  What would you do if you couldn't reach him?" we asked.

 

"I don't know quite what I would do!" was the answer.

 

It shouldn't be difficult for you to imagine what was going through our minds, at that point, and the closest words for it were probably the ones we said to each other as we drove home that night: "We're in big trouble!"  But that was just the beginning.

 

We did do something about this situation, and we did it in a matter of days.  Then, we began doing a lot more.  But the point of this discussion is not to go into what, exactly, we did do.  It is to point out that we had no expectation, on the basis of all the reassuring things we had been told, that we would have to do anything at all.  It had been our outlook that a pretty well organized system was what we were going to find, and we'd hoped that perhaps we could find a way to help make it even better.  Instead, we found something that seemed to be a "black hole" of non-preparedness.  And, we had a sinking feeling that this was not the end of it... there was a sense that even darker things might lie ahead.  We had no idea!  (Of what was to transpire over the next year or two, or the next decade.)

 

I hope this "first hand account" of what Linda Chamberlain and I found, on our "first meeting with Nelson's contract mortician", gives you some sense of the shock and disorientation that marked the beginnings of our efforts to make a reality of the image of what we had expected to be there, in the first place.  (Also, I hope you can understand, in the light of the broader sweep of what has developed in cryonics in the thirty+ years following, what a huge challenge it is, to have a squeaky-clean, air-tight system for getting people suspended.)  For the purpose, then, of this one facet of the discussion of Nelson's "story", this is enough, on the subject of, Nelson's"

 

"Misrepresentations as to CSC's Capabilities"

 

Summary:  (1) CSC lacked preparedness under Robert Nelson's leadership (in late-1970), for anything other than a "straight freeze" in an emergency.  (2) Even barring this total lack of technology, CSC had no effective action-based emergency response capability anyway, since there was no way of the mortician knowing "who to freeze".  (3) Worst of all, perhaps, behind it all, there was no funding for the "members" who were paying dues and wearing Medic Alert bracelets, who thought they were covered; that they were "signed up" for cryonic suspension.

 

"...stored almost free..."
"We froze and stored almost free, nine patients for three years."

That sounds very generous and heroic.  Here is a brief

perspective of how this might be viewed differently:

We (Linda Chamberlain and I) were naturally curious about Nelson's storage facility, and had a chance to visit it with him several times.  We'd ask him, "Who's in this capsule?  And, who's in that one?"  Gradually, we began to get the feeling that we knew something about what was going on.  Except, the names of who was supposed to be in which capsule seemed to keep changing (we were not "taking detailed notes" during such visits).

We put it down to Nelson's tendency to be evasive about details, but we were used to that by the time he let us visit the storage facility with him.  So, we didn't think too much more about this until years after the Chatsworth disaster, when we happened to be talking with his contract mortician.

"Fred & Linda," he said, "You did know that this capsule you were confused about had four people in it, didn't you?"  We were pretty shocked by this, even as much as had happened, because those capsules could barely hold two persons.

After a moment, we said, "But how could it be?  How could you get four people into it?"  The mortician said, "We morticians do what we're asked.  Naturally, we had to warm them up some to get them to all fit into it."

We had a hard time even picturing it.  There would be almost no room left for liquid nitrogen, but the image that haunted us was the vision of four people being warmed up from liquid nitrogen temperatures and then being "fitted" (that's the most diplomatic way that it's possible to put it) into a single, two-person capsule.

I'm sorry if you find this account disturbing, but when you read the draft article Robert Nelson has written, and you see accounts of "heroism" on the part of the patients, I must ask you to bear this account of his contract mortician in mind.

The two links below take you to additional details concerning Robert Nelson and the fallout from the thawing of his patients at Chatsworth, California.

             

 

Here is an email link, if you have further questions: